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Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada y Mendoza
Alonso de Avalos cc Catalina de Orosco
Gabriel de Avalos cc Maria Quezada
Sebastian de Avalos cc Mariana de Castro

Hola prim@s,

Do any of you have any of the above mentioned couples in your lines? I have it documented that Gaspar and Alonso were brothers, and also that Gabriel and Sebastian were brothers. I think it's likely that all four are brothers, and I'm trying to compile enough info on each, to establish this theory. I also think it's possible that another brother is Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz de Aldana.

¿Tendra alguien los mencionados en sus líneas ? Lo tengo documentado que Gaspar y Alonso eran hermanos, y también que Gabriel y Sebastián eran hermanos. Creo que es probable que los cuatro son hermanos y busco mas información sobre cada uno para establecer esta teoría. También creo que es posible que otro hermano es Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz de Aldana.

Does anybody know if Gabriel de Avalos, who married Maria Quezada, is the same who married Augustina de Velasco?

¿Alguien sabe si Gabriel de Avalos, que era casado con María Quezada, es el mismo que se casó con Agustina de Velasco?

Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

R.A.Ricci (not verified)

8 years 11 months ago

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I just pulled out my copy of "retonos" by Marian Gonzalez Leal.

I did not read it first because I did not want it to influence my research. I'm glad that I didn't. My research corroborates his theories. There were two separate Avalos families yet both of them left descendants in los altos de Jalisco. Both of the Avalos(D'Avalos ) families intermarried with many of the same families. I have posted examples of the two Avalos families marrying into the Villasenor family.

Mariano does not give these lines that I have posted. these lines complement his work and validate his theories.

However, even if in Mexico they are two distinct lines, they are very interconnected so I believe that further research in Spain would show that these two Avalos lines come from the same family. It would be a big surprise if they weren't the same family because it would be to big a coincidence with all that they have in common such as who they marry and what social circles they ran in. They ran together. At least the first generations in Nuva Galicia.
R.A.Ricci

R.A.Ricci (not verified)

8 years 11 months ago

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Dear manny,

I was so caught up in helping research the Avalos that I did not pay close attention to what may be the big clue. You wrote " Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor, who married first to Matias Gomez de Sotomayor". Did you descend from Mathias or from the second husband. When researching the Avalos I came across some property that the Avalos ancestors used to used to own. The property is said to have passed down many generations to the de Sotomayor family. I think it said Garcia de Sotomayor family so it might not be the same family.

Marcelina Macias

8 years 11 months ago

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Hola a todos:

Sobre la relación entre las líneas de los Ávalos entre sí, probablemente éstas ya existían desde España, pues el apellido Ávalos constiuye una de las ramas de la casa, solar y divisa Ramírez de la Piscina, desde 1537 hasta ahora la rama Ávalos ha participado en la custodia de la divisa. Actualmente la tiene el Marqués de Legarda como sucesor de la casa de Ábalos.

Existe una relación geográfica puesto que la Iglesia de Santa María de la Piscina se encuentra próxima " a media legua" del poblado de Ábalos.

En el libro La Divisa, solar y Casa Real de la Piscina, de Jaime Salazar y Acha et al,(cuya muestra está en GoogleBooks) se puede leer en la página 14 se dice que en 1534 el Doctor Diego Ramírez de la Piscina, historiador de Navarra conocido como Diego Ramírez de Ávalos ganó el pleito contra los usurpadores de la Divisa ante la Real Chancillería de Valladolid.

Mi abuelo materno me informó que nuestra rama (Ramírez de Coy) proviene del tronco Ramírez de la Piscina al igual que los Cos, los Ávalos, los Ponce. Ésta información la he ido corroborando poco a poco, puesto que de la descendencia de los Ramírez de la Piscina hay varias versiones.

Saludos

Marcelina Macías

Hello Rick,

Thank you! This is all great info. From timelines and the combination of surnames, I'd say the Avalos OMG descend from one of the offspring of Diego de Villasenor Tobar and Geronima de Avalos.

MATHIAS GOMEZ DE SOTOMAYOR CC YSABEL RUIZ DE VILLASENOR

Re: Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor, I descend from her second marriage, to the mysterious Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada. Ysabel and Francisco owned Guadalupe de Los Pozos, in Sierra de Pinos, which they came into possession of, around 1708. I don't know if her first husband, Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor, owned any property, he drops off the map around 1692.

LUIS DE AVALOS CC GERTRUDIS PONCE

I mentioned Luis de Avalos cc Gertrudis Ponce, 25 Feb 1645, San Matias, Pinos; I thought he might be a possible son of Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada, but he and Gertrudis Ponce were Mestizos. Gabriel de Avalos and Maria Quesada did baptize Joseph de Avalos Quesada, 28 Dec 1625, San Matias, Pinos; his padrino was Gines Carrion, and he was confirmed on 24 Jan 1627, padrino Juan Gutierrez.

DIEGO DE AVALOS CC GERONIMA SALDANA

I found the 24 Mar 1666 IM for Nicolas Carrillo de Figueroa and Juana de Avalos; Juana de Avalos was said to be born in Sierra de Pinos, she was daughter of Diego de Avalos and Geronima Saldana. I don't know who this Diego de Avalos is, but from the location and timeline, he's either a son of Gaspar or Gabriel de Avalos: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KL94-K3?i=261&wc=3NT6-DP8

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola Marcelina y Rick,

With all of this talk of Davalos, Villaseñor, Orosco y Cervantes; I came upon this capellania regarding the Villalobos (Augustin Villalobos; Diego Villalobos Clerigo, nephew of Antonio Villalobos, others) img78:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KS9-HZ?i=77&wc=3NTL-N3D

What interested me (and what might interest you) is img152: Francisco Antonio Peredo, en nombre de Maria Magdalena Davalos Bracamonte Orosco y Cervantes, Viuda del Capitan Pedro Antonio Trebuesto(?) Cavallero, hija legitima del Conde Don Pedro Alonso Davalos Bracamonte, del Orden de Santiago, Conde de Miravalle cc Condesa Doña Francisca Antonia de Orosco y Cervantes (hija legitima de Manuel Orosco y Cervantes, hijo de Mariana de Villalobos). The date is 30 May 1740, I believe.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KS9-SL?i=151&wc=3NTL-N3D

I just thought I'd post this for your records, as there are a lot of relationships defined in this document, and perhaps it can be of use to you.

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Diego Villasenor-Tovar has a son named Francisco who marries Mariana Villalobos.

Francisco Villaseñor and Mariana Villalobos are the parents of Manuel Villasenor.

Manuel Villaseñor marries Teresa de Ribadeneira and they have a daughter named Francisca Antonia Villaseñor.

Francisca Villaseñor married Pedro Alonso D'Avalos Bracamonte

R.A. Ricci

R.A.Ricci (not verified)

8 years 11 months ago

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I don't descend from the D'Avalos family lines that we are talking about, though I do descend from the Padilla D'Avalos.

I descend from the Villasenor and Diaz de Leon families. I found Chris's post on how the Avalos and Diaz de Leon were related. I also descend from Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta de Sotomayor.

Joseph Diaz de Leon (m. Antonia Delgadillo) was the son of Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta Martinez de Sotomayor. Chris has Jose Diaz de Leon's brother Antonio Diaz de Leon as an ancestor.

Rick A. Ricci

Manny,

thank you. i didnt see that. whats a predio rustco mean? who do you think is the parents of Baltasar de Abalos Tobar. i know you probly don't know officially but who fits best.

Danny C. Alonso

Manny,

i had another question. i know Gaspar and Alonso are brothers but have you linked these people to my ancestor Gabriel Avalos.

Danny C. Alonso

Rick, thanks for posting the information regarding the Villaseñor.

Manny, do you have the link to the dispensa for Nicolas Castañeda and Maria Gomez?

Chris

R.A.Ricci (not verified)

8 years 9 months ago

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Baltazar D'Avalos Villaseñor y Espexo was baptized on 22/Jan/1653, in León, "hijo de Don Gonzalo de Avalos Villaseñor y Juana de Espejo".

This Balthazar was married to Maria Ruiz de Velasco in abt. 1679 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci

Hola prim@s,

Here's the marriage record for Nicolas de Avalos Villaseñor cc Ynes Macias Ortega, 21 Aug 1651, Sagrario, Zamora, Mich:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5T9Y-YH?mode=g&i=21&wc=3NY…

I just noticed that there were some posts that were directed to me, and that I had missed - my apologies, I'll try to respond to them, when I can.

I also have an update on Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada, which I'll be posting soon - stay tuned!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

We last saw Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada in March 1657, living on their rancho, called "El Ojo de Muerte," near Valle de Armadillo, SLP. Their sons, Nicolas Garcia and Gaspar Garcia, along with cousins, Juan and Geronimo Aparisio de Avalos Orozco, plus another accomplice, had just been tried and executed for murder & robbery. After their deaths, the condemned were decapitated and quartered, their heads placed on poles on the 4 roads leaving San Luis, and their bodies, gibbeted where the murders took place. Within days, the heads of Juan and Aparisio de Avalos had disappeared from their poles, and authorities had gone to the rancho of Gaspar de Avalos, searching for them. Gaspar and his sons were gone, and only the women remained. And that's where we left off.

Cut to 3 years later: it's 4 Feb, 1660, and Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada are now residents of Huaniqueo, Michoacan, where they had been living for well over a year (since 1658). Alonso Rodriguez de Montemayor, of Pachuca, has petitioned to marry their daughter, Luisa de Avalos y Quezada (confirmed 22 May 1624, Sta Maria de Lagos), but there's an impediment (my heart jumped...): Alonso Rodriguez has had a previous relationship with a cousin of Luisa's, requiring a dispensation for 2o con 3o de amistad ilicita (!!GOOOOL!!).

Now, as I was reading this document, I was super impressed with the amount of information given by the notary - on the testigos, in particular: not just their castas and ages, but also, in some cases, their occupations, or who they're married to (Ysabel de Liebana Española de 50a, casada con Juan de Torres, vnos de Huaniqueo). And then, for the number of testigos, of which there are several, including a couple of surprises. I just hoped that the dispensation gives us something new, like Gaspar's parents' names, or perhaps confirming a link to Gabriel & Sebastian de Avalos, or to Baltasar & Juana de Avalos? Or a new branch, altogether?

Well, it appears to be the latter:

“dixo conosse a dho alonzo hernandes de montemayor dos messes y a luissa de abalos desde que nasio que es su hija lexitima y que cotidianamente hastado de baxo su obediencia y amparo como donssella birtuosa y que pueden contraer el matrimonio que an tratado y conossio a juo de abalos su herno lixitimo [hermano legitimo] que mataron en este puo [pueblo, i.e. Huaniqueo] y conossio a bartolome de abalos hijo bastardo de dho Juan de abalos el qual tubo una hija llamada maria con quien dho alonso hernandes dissen tubo amistad ylicita la qual fue sobrina de dha luisa de abalos su hija porque dho bartolome de abalos fue Primo de dha su hija y la hija de dho bartolome de abalos es sobrina de dha luissa de abalos su hija y que todo lo referrido lo bido y passo como esta dho y es la berdad … “ - Declaracion del padre de la contrayente, Gaspar de Abalos, edad de 60a, lo firmo con el sr cura, 22 feb 1660 (Image 079).

Yup. Gaspar de Abalos himself. Giving an account of a brother named Juan de Avalos, whom "they had killed in Huaniqueo" (years before, according to another testigo), and who had a bastard son named Bartolome de Avalos (Mestizo), who had a daughter named Maria de Avalos, with whom Alonso Rodriguez had relations. All of the witnesses give the same account, but there are some additional snippets of info:

- Testigo Juan de Yepes Esp 50 says Juan de Avalos Difunto was married to his aunt.
- Testigo Juan Sidbensiz (or Juan Bensisio - anyone?), Esp age 24, says he's a cuñado de Luisa de Avalos, who is sister of his wife. The only daughter of Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada that I don't have married, is Mariana de Avalos, who was baptized 04 Jul 1638, in Sagrario, SLP.
- Several of the testigos say they knew the Avalos from Lagos, with none mentioning Armadillo nor Sierra de Pinos. Of course they wouldn't!!!
- The biggest surprise (and the creepiest...), is testigo NICOLAS GARCIA, age 30, brother of the bride. But how can this be?? Nicolas Garcia de Avalos was hung, beheaded and quartered, 3 years before, in San Luis Potosi!!?? The only explanation: one of the younger siblings adopted his name, after his death. This family was all about aliases and shadows.

So, now we know that after the executions, Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada would have collected and buried the bodies of their sons, when the authorities allowed it. They were then likely forced to leave SLP, perhaps even forfeiting whatever property they owned. They still had 2 sons, under the age of 16, and 4 daughters, all of marrying age. Gaspar de Abalos & the OMG then headed south to Huaniqueo. We've seen them in Irapuato, Gto, but this is the first time we've placed anyone from this branch in old Michoacan. And now we know that he had a brother named Juan de Avalos, who lived & died there. This gets us that much closer to the Avalos/ Tobar/ Villasenor / Cervantes etc.

Additional notes:

- Daughter Andrea de Avalos still has to marry Roque Flores, on 02 May 1664, in Lagos. Women usually lived with their parents until married, though in her case, she was at least 40 years-old (most of their 8 daughters married rather late - well after 30). But it's possible that she still lived with her parents, and that Gaspar and Luisa returned to Lagos before 1664. Que vida mas loca!

- I've located 2 men named Bartolome de Avalos, one, who was Mestizo, living in Angamacutiro and married to Catalina Gutierrez Mulata Libre, and another, who was categorized as Morisco, and who married Melchora Juana India, 25 May 1659, in Indaparapeo. Since his daughter, Maria de Avalos, was said to have had her affair with Alonso Rodriguez in 1659, our Bartolome is likely the first. It's possible they're the same person, or perhaps father and son.

- Gaspar de Abalos signed his name, revealing that he had received an education, and that he had at least a middle-class upbringing.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

04 Feb 1660 IM de Luisa de Avalos y Quezada, con Alonso Rodriguez de Montemayor.
"México, Michoacán, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1555-1996," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KGSB-TB?cc=1883388&wc=3NTX… : 20 May 2014), Morelia > Arquidiócesis de Morelia > image 72 of 1421; parroquias Católicas, Michoacan (Catholic Church parishes, Michoacan).

This new information only adds to the questions of this family but it sure is a read.
Thanks Manny for your the added information and story.

This is really great stuff Manny. This family is never boring. I just wish
we could finally find out who the parents are especially because so many of
us, including me, descend from them. Also who do you think the 2nd Nicolas
really was?

Danny C. Alonso

jrefugioghermosillo

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Hola Prim@s,

I just noticed that I made an error: Luisa de Avalos y Quezada, daughter of Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quezada, was to marry Alonso HERNANDEZ de Montemayor, and not “RODRIGUEZ de Montemayor.” He was son of Diego Hernandez and Juana de Osorio. I was just excited about discovering a new branch, I suppose, and dear Alonso seemed incidental - which he wasn't!

Hi Danny,

It’s possible Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada named 2 of their sons, “Nicolas.” And it’s just as possible that one of their other sons adopted the name, after the first was killed. The only son I haven’t accounted for is Diego, who was baptized 1 May 1642, San Matias, Pinos.

OMG AND THE RETURN TO LAGOS

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned some documents that I found indexed at the website for Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco Juan Jose Arreola:

Archivo de la Real Audiencia Ramo Civil y Criminal: Ramo: Criminal
Año 1 1665/ Año 2 1667
Progresivo 2710, Caja 174, Exp 6
Nombre 2: DE AVALOS GASPAR, DE AVALOS JUAN, GARCIA NICOLAS, PEREZ JUAN
Lugar: LAGOS
Documentos referentes a las discrepancias entre los tribunales eclesiásticos y civiles, a causa de que el artículo de inmunidad de la iglesia no fuera respetado por el Teniente Provincial de la Hermandad de Lagos al sacar de la parroquia a Gaspar de Ávalos, Juan de Ávalos, García Nicolás y Juan Pérez, reos acusados de robo.

“Documents regarding the discrepancies between the ecclesiastical and the civil tribunals, because the article giving the Church immunity was not respected by the Teniente Provincial de la Hermandad of Lagos, when removing from the parish Gaspar de Avalos, Juan de Avalos, Nicolas Garcia and Juan Perez, inmates accused of robberies.”

When I first read that, I thought that the event spoken of happened decades before, since Nicolas Garcia was listed amongst those removed from the parish in 1665, and we know he died in 1657. But now, knowing that another son of Gaspar de Avalos used the same name, I think this happened in 1665. This makes sense, because Andrea de Avalos y Quezada married Roque Flores on 2 May 1664, and women usually lived with their parents, until they married.

So, some time between Feb 1660 and May 1664, the OMG returned to Lagos. And they apparently continued with their evil ways, even after what happened to their sons & cousins. Gaspar de Avalos was around 70, by this time, for crissake.

But more, as I reread the above description of the documents, I realize that I misread it, regarding the word "parroquia" which I misinterpreted as "parish," as in the "jurisdiction of a church." But in this case, it apparently means the "parish church," itself, where the Avalos had fled, seeking asylum. The Hermandad stormed the church, and arrested them, which is the violation spoken of.

You can't make this stuff up.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Dear Manny,

Congratulations on your findings. I am very appreciative of your work. The band of robbers ties in with the early history of the road being very dangerous between tepatitlan and San Juan de Los Lagos. Stories were made up that my ancestor was the head of the band because she became a bitter woman who always coverered her face after being attacked and her face scarred by a mountain lion. She had been described as a tall beauty, Güera, before the attack. After the attack she always wore a veil and avoided people. People later claimed that her son's inherited much because of what she robbed but she was rich from her parents leaving her a fortune. And she went from a young women who had everything, physical and facial beauty, intelligence, wit, and rich parents to boot, to a bitter woman who shied away from people and no longer the life of the party.

Thanks again,
Rick

Hi, I´m new over here and even though I have already read a lot of the posts in this forum I didn´t read all.
So, does anybody notice that in the baptisma-chistening certificate (I really don´t know the english name)of GASPAR DE AVALOS (Lagos 6 july 1636), son of Baltazar de Avalos and Juana de Aldana, the godmother was Isabel de Avalos, daugther of Gabriel de Avalos.

Although, this document doesn´t prove they were brothers, it definitely proves that a link between them existed.

Cheers. Daniel.
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Hola, soy nuevo por acá y aunque ya leí una gran cantidad de publicaciones de este foro no logré leerlas todas.
Así que les pregunto. ¿Alguien ya se había percatado que en la Fe de bautismo de GASPAR DE ÁVALOS (lagos, 6 de julio 1636), hijo de Baltazar de Ávalos y Juana de Aldana, la madrina fue Isabel de Ávalos, la hija de Gabriel de Ávalos?

Aunque esto no prueba el parentesco entre ellos, sin duda si demuestra una relación de algún tipo entre ellos.

Saludos, Daniel.

Hi Rick,

Thanks, and great story, about your ancestor, Güera! If it were a movie, Maria Felix would play the lead…

Hola Daniel,

Sí, ya se mencionó el contacto entre Baltasar de Avalos e Isabel de Avalos, pero le agradecemos su contribución a la conversación. Los detalles son importantes!

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Manny,

I thread through this thread and was impressed with the amount of research that you have done with to expand our knowledge on this line and all others who have contributed thus far. I must state that I am related to this line on numerous lines, but do share a close tie through the Méndez de Torres of Zamora, Michoacán.

D. Baltazar de Avalos y Tovar and Da. Juana Ruiz de Aldana had another daughter named Da. Catalina de Avalos y Aldana (based on the various baptismal records she appears as madrina in Santa María de los Lagos and is listed as their daughter) who married D. Balthazar Martín-Barragán y Arias de Bedoya, probably in Zamora or Santa María de los Lagos, I still have yet to locate this record, if it exists. They had the following (so far what I have found):

1. Teresa Martín Barragán y Avalos b.- 7 June 1651 in San Martín de Zamora
2. Micaela Martín Barragán y Avalos b. - 19 Oct 1653 in San Martín de Zamora
3. Juana Martín Barragán y Avalos b. 11 Aug 1655 in San Martín de Zamora
4. José Martín Barragán y Avalos b. 14 Dec 1656 in Santa María de los Lagos

As you can see the family moved sometime between Juana and José's birth to Catalina de Avalos native town of Santa María de los Lagos, present day Lagos de Moreno. I want to draw your attention to their oldest daughter Teresa. She married my eighth great grand uncle's son, D. Diego Méndez de Torres y Ochoa Garibay de Solís, who was a "comerciante" on 27 April 1677 in Aguascalientes. The marriage record does not state Diego's parents, but through other records in León, Guanajuato, I was able to establish the identity of his parents of which I shouted for joy as I soon learned who he was. The couple had at least one daughter Da. Francisca Méndez de Torres y Martín Barragán, baptized 19 Oct 1679 in nearby León, Guanajuato.

Diego's father (my eighth granduncle) D. Diego Méndez de Torres (also Méndez de Sotomayor) y Arias de Bedoya was Alcalde Provisional de León al estado noble y su jurisdicción, until his death, by then he had already remarried and brought all his children to León, leaving the "solar familiar" of Zamora, Michoacán to take on expanded responsibilities in the Cabildo of León. As soon as the children are of age they are married into the García de León, Zúñiga y Mendoza, Vargas Machuca, Salceda Andrade, López de Lara and the Martín Barragán families. I call it very strategic marriage planning as the majority of these families were either directly or indirectly involved with the Cabildo through business or marriages. I would enjoy to further discuss the Avalos families, please email or message me on FB.

Saludos,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Hola prim@s,

Over the summer, I finally got a chance to thoroughly read the 1657 causa criminal of Juan and Aparisio de Avalos, and boy! did I get some things wrong: Nicolas Garcia and his brother, Gaspar Garcia, were not captured, and they managed to escape. That's how they are able to appear in Huaniqueo in 1660, and later, in Lagos, where they were finally arrested. They were then extradited to San Luis Potosi; on 7 Aug 1665, Capp Juan Antonio de Pro, Alcalde Provincial de la Sta Hermandad de la Nueva Galicia, delivers Nicolas Garcia de Avalos, Gaspar y Juan de Avalos sus hermanos, y Juan Perez y Felipe de la Cruz Mulatos Libres. I lose the scent there. Gaspar de Avalos father was not among those arrested.

Hello Daniel,

Thank you very much for connecting Catalina de Avalos cc Baltasar Martin Barragan to Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz! I had seen her and Baltasar in Zamora, and I wondered who she belonged to. This reinforces Baltasar de Avalos Tovar's & Juana Ruiz de Aldana's presence in Zamora, along with the marriage of their son, Nicolas de Avalos to Ynes Martinez Ortega, on 21 Aug 1651.

Gracias y saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola prim@s,

It’s been a while since I’ve found anything on our favorite gangsta family, los Malos Davalos. I found this one in the Guadalajara Protocolos; it’s a promissory note, dated 21 Oct 1637, in Villa de Lagos: Grabiel de Abalos (how he signed his name), vecino desta Villa (Lagos), as principal debtor, and Alº Davalos Ludena (how he signed his name), as his guarantor, promises to pay Esteban de Anda Altamirano 94 pesos and 4 tomines in Reales, for the same amount loaned to him.

The last time we saw Grabiel de Abalos was 1 Jan 1630, in San Matias, Pinos, when his slave, Maria Negra Adulta, was baptized (her padrinos were Sebastian Perez and Luisa, Negros Esclavos de Luis de Urdiales). If he is the same Gabriel de Avalos who married Agustina de Velasco, then he next appears on 26 Jul 1639, in San Luis Potosi, when they baptize Nicolas.

As for Alonso Davalos Ludena, I don’t know of any other Alonso de Avalos living in Villa de Lagos in 1637, other than the one married to Catarina de Orozco, and who we know was brother of Gaspar de Abalos. If it is him, “Ludena” is a new surname for this branch. I wonder if there is any link to Maria de Ludena/Luduina/Ludueña, who married Rodrigo de Ornelas y Mendoza, 26 Nov 1615, in Lagos, and who died, 19 Dec 1674, in Jalos? Does anyone know who she is? From the timeline, she could easily be a sibling of the Avalos’.

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Manny,

It's a been awhile since I looked at these families. But I thought we had all basically decided they were brothers -Gaspar, Gabriel, Alonso and others. Was I wrong? The only mention I found of Maria de Ludena is this passage I think from Rodolfo Hernandez Chavez, where Gaspar is identified as Gaspar de Avalos Ludena:

Gaspar de Avalos-Ludeña casado por 1620 con Doña Luisa de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza, hermana de Doña María de Quesada ó María de Mendoza; Doña Juana de Avalos, madre de Juan de Orozco que casó con María de Quesada y Alvarado, hija de Francisco de Quesada y Sánchez de Mendoza –hermano de Doña María y de Doña Luisa de Quesada-, y de su esposa Catalina de los Ángeles Alvarado; Doña Ysabel Avalos-Ludeña / “Ysabel de Orozco”, esposa de Don Sebastián Pérez de Ortega; y a caso Doña María de Ludeña, casada en Patzcuaro y, velada el 26 de Noviembre de 1615 en Lagos con Rodrigo de Órnelas y Mendoza… ¿Tal vez?, debamos de incluir como hijo de Alonso de Avalos y de Catalina de Orozco, a Francisco de Avalos, esposo de María de Espitia, quien según investigaciones de Don Jaime Holcombe procreó en Beatriz Sánchez de Lara –también conocida como Beatriz Sánchez de Carranza, Beatriz Sánchez de Mendoza ó Beatriz Gómez propietaria de una casa en la Villa de los Lagos, descrita en el padrón de 669 como “Casa de María Gómez Viuda”, donde vivía Antonia de Avalos doncella, en compañía de Bernarda Ortiz doncella, y de la “Estancia de San Nicolás de la Ciénega” en la jurisdicción de San Juan/Jalostotitlán, registrada en los padrones de 1670 como “Rancho de Beatriz Gómez”, y en los de 1672, 1673 y 1679 como “Estancia de Beatriz Gómez”,

Hi Danny,

We’ve documented that Gaspar, Juan & Alonso were brothers, Gabriel & Sebastian were brothers, and Baltasar and Juana were siblings; we know that Gaspar, Alonso, Gabriel and Sebastian and their families all had contact with each other, and that Gaspar and Gabriel appear to shadow each other in their movements between Lagos, Pinos, Armadillo and Irapuato. Also, none of their children nor grandchildren intermarried, and we’ve seen only 3 dispensations for great-grandchildren. As for being certain whether all 7 were in the same family group, we still can’t say, but they were definitely at least cousins.

Thanks for reposting Rodolfo’s piece, I had forgotten about that. I’ve been foraging through the Lagos de Moreno church records, and I’ve found something that ties into that: Rodrigo de Ornelas and Maria de Ludeña appear as padrinos for 3 baptisms in 1637, and on the partidas she is given the name “Maria de Avalos.” We already have Alonso de Avalos using “Ludeña” - I’d like to see Rodolfo’s sources, with Gabriel using that surname, as well as Ysabel de Avalos cc Sebastian Perez de Ortega.

GASPAR DE AVALOS

On 18 Dec 1664, in Lagos de Moreno, buried was Ana de Montoya española, wife of Gaspar de Avalos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KWZD-3?i=359&wc=3JDH-P…

On 17 Nov 1665, in Jalostotitlan, buried was Beatriz de Montoya, wife of Gaspar de Avalos el Mozo. She was a resident of the estansia called Ornelas in San Juan.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FM9T-6Z?i=24&wc=SS22-F…

There were 3 men named Gaspar, associated with these lines: Gaspar de Avalos cc Luisa de Quesada, their son, Gaspar Garcia de Avalos (b 19 Sep 1639), and Gaspar, son of Baltasar de Avalos cc Juana Ruiz de Aldana (b. 6 Jul 1636). This last one used the name “Gaspar de Aldana” in later records, and appears in the 1672 & 1673 San Juan padrones. The 1st Gaspar and his son were in Lagos de Moreno as early as May 1664, when daughter Andrea married Roque Flores. Ana de Montoya could’ve been married to either 3, and Beatriz to either of the younger ones. Anyone?

NICOLAS GARCIA DE AVALOS

Buried on 10 Dec 1665 in Lagos de Moreno was Nicolas Garcia de Avalos. If you remember, Nicolas was the oldest son of Gaspar de Avalos and Luisa de Quezada. He started using the alias “Garcia,” as early as 23 Feb 1654, when he married Ysabel del Castillo in Armadillo. I don’t know if it is an ancestral surname, though his brother, Gaspar, also used it. I was surprised to see him buried in Lagos, because the last we had heard of him was the previous Aug 1665, when he and his brothers Gaspar & Juan were extradited to San Luis Potosi, probably for those murders and robberies committed in 1656. Looks like his sentence was carried out in Lagos, since the burial record says he was “justiciado” (executed). It took 8 years, but justice finally caught up with him: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KWZK-Y?i=362&wc=3JDH-P…

NICOLAS DE RIBERA

Here’s something I had overlooked: Gaspar de Avalos & Luisa de Quezada’s daughter, Ysabel de Avalos, married Geronimo de Arroyo in 1647 in Pinos. On their 1646 IM, the first witness was Nicolas de Ribera, age 20, who said he was “primo hermano de la dicha Ysabel de Avalos.” So, either Gaspar de Avalos or Luisa de Quesada had a sibling who married a “Ribera”:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B7RJ-4?i=34&wc=3PS9-W3…

BEATRIZ SANCHEZ AKA GOMEZ ETC

Regarding Beatriz Sanchez aka Gomez etc: on 21 Jun 1628, in Lagos de Moreno, baptized were Phelipe and Ana, both “hijos de la Yglesia,” and Antonio hijo de Alonso de Quesada cc Ysabel de Alarcon, and the padrinos for all 3 were Juan de Malaber and Beatriz Gomez “su nieta.” On 11 Jul 1628, baptized was Madalena hija de la Yglesia, her madrina was Beatriz Gomez “nieta de Marta Sanchez.”

I don’t know who Juan de Malaber was, but Marta Sanchez was married to Juan Sanchez de Lara. Could this possibly be the same Beatriz Gomez aka Beatriz Sanchez etc?

Hope you’re all well!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

I descend from Francisco Quesada and Catalina de Los Angeles (aka Catalina de Alvarado). I was wondering whether Luisa Quesada y Mendoza has been connected to this family.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Hi Manny, I think if i remember Juan de Malaber was the second husband of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza. But it's been a long time since I looked at these families. So when it says "su nieta" for Beatriz Gomez aka Sanchez I think they just don't know how to describe the relationship of Juan de Malaber. Technically Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez would be the step-granddaughter, if that's even a thing. Based on the multiple names Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez uses and since we know she is the actual granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, we can reasonable assume that her actual grandfather is Juan Sanchez de Lara. Juan de Malaber i think may be discussed in this thread:

 http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24229 

Danny

Danny,

I have a question about Beatriz Sanchez. If she's the granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, does that mean she's the daughter of Maria Sanchez? Also I was wondering if you were familiar with Francisco Sanchez de Quezada, son of Lazaro Sanchez and grandson of Maria Sanchez. If Maria Sanchez is the mother of Beatriz Sanchez then she would be the sibling of Lazaro Sanchez. So my question is where does Sanchez de Quezada come from. It appears to come from Lazaro Sanchez since Lazaro's wife's parents are known. Was Maria Sanchez married to a Quezada or descend from a Quezada? I do know one of Maria Sanchez's children uses Ornelas but where does Quezada come from?

Paige

Danny,

That’s a really good point. It reminds of what Jaime Holcombe revealed, regarding how everyone assumed that the Delgadillo’s descended from Juan de Renteria, when they descended from his wife Ysabel Calderon’s first husband, Diego Delgadillo.

Thanks,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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