By lunalatina1955 |

Yolanda, I was trying to add my files when I noticed
yours......particularly your Bugarin relatives.  So I decided to do a
search on Atolinga, as some of my relatives were born there as well.
 
Here's what I found - before the Spanish officially settled the area, it
appears that there was initially a group of "celtas" who settled there (Irish?)
and later "semitas (Jewish?).  Had you read this before??? I thought it was
fascinating!!!
 
Dice al ingeniero Montañés:
“ Después de la conquista, los españoles
vieron a Tlaltenango como tierra de promisión, colonizándola, dejando en el
monte de Atolinga, como muestra la colonización, extensa zona habitada hasta
nuestros días por moradores de la raza celta pura. Cabe explicar que hasta aquí,
inexplicablemente vinieron semitas, perpetuándose en familias que llevan
apellidos Leyva, Isais, Covarrubias, Castañeda, Bugarín”
 
 source:  http://www.e-mexico.gob.mx/wb2/eMex/eMex_Atolinga_Zacatecas
 
Esperanza

I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278

I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.

Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.

Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.

I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278

I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.

Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.

Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.

Wow, this is the prize Arturo gets for his hard work: another cousin!

Our ancestors are rejoicing because another two families that were lost
have been reunited after 150-200 years of being separated.

Good find and congratulations!!!

That points out another positive feature of the new site. With the
search engine capabilities we should be able to look at and search for
each other's files much easier.

Yolanda, are you coming to DC in 2007 for the Rancho Roundup? Arturo is
going to personally show us how to use the National Archives to look up
our border crossing records. Of course we can do that from our homes if
we purchase the films but there are materials there that are not yet
available on film that he is becoming aquainted with. I'll be coming if
only for meeting as many as we can get together and for a big plato of
frijoles y arroz with plenty of salsa fresca bastante picante

joseph

arturoramos wrote:

>I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.
>
>http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278
>
>I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.
>
>Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.
>
>Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.

Joseph, and a big hug to you for putting together this wonderful group. Yolanda and I have communicated off line, as we both stem from Pedro J. Bugarin.   Arturo, it appears that we connect again, through this, another line. A big hug to you for putting forth your talents in creating the new site.   As Ronnie said at the Los Angeles Reunion..."we are all probably related"   By the way, will we be having Mariachi's at our meeting in Salt Lake? Saludos, Helyn

Joseph Puentes <makas@nc.rr.com> wrote:


Wow, this is the prize Arturo gets for his
hard work: another cousin!

Our ancestors are rejoicing because another two families that were lost
have been reunited after 150-200 years of being separated.

Good find and congratulations!!!

That points out another positive feature of the new site. With the
search engine capabilities we should be able to look at and search for
each other's files much easier.

Yolanda, are you coming to DC in 2007 for the Rancho Roundup? Arturo is
going to personally show us how to use the National Archives to look up
our border crossing records. Of course we can do that from our homes if
we purchase the films but there are materials there that are not yet
available on film that he is becoming aquainted with. I'll be coming if
only for meeting as many as we can get together and for a big plato of
frijoles y arroz with plenty of salsa fresca bastante picante

joseph



arturoramos wrote:

>I think that if
Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda.  The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.
>
>http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278
>
>I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga.  I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.
>
>Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him?  It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the
Valleys and Canyons.
>
>Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me.  I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.
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HOLA PRIMO I KNEW THAT IF I WAITED LONG ENOUGH THERE WOULD BE MORE PRIMOS IN THIS GROUP..  Y AUN HAY MAS.....WELL, I AM JUST THRILLED AND SO, SO VERY ENCOURAGED.  I DID GO TO YOUR SITE AND VERY QUICKLY LOOKED AT YOUR LINE.  I'M STILL A LITTLE LOST AS TO HOW TO TRACK THE LINES BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO STUDY IT.  THIS IS A QUICK VIEW OF MY HUSBANDS LINE. HIS PARENTS ARE:   SOFIA BUGARINI b 9 18 1908 CHIH CHIH MARRIED  BALTAZAR PEREZ ABT 1927 CHIH CHIH     LONGINOS BUGARIN  b. ABT 1868 TLAJOMULCO GUADALAJARA, JALISCO MARRIED BACILIA ANCHONDO ABT 1907 CHIH. CHIH   JOSSEF MATEO BUGARIN  b 9 1820 TLALTENANGO MARRIED  CLAUDIA DE AVILA  1 19 1850  TEPECITLAN   JOSE FRANCISCO BUGARIN b ABT 1785 TLALTENANGO MARRIED  MARIA YGNACIA MOTA
1 13 1808 TEPECHITLAN   PEDRO JOSEPH BUGARIN b 3 1733 TLALTENANGO MARRIED  MARIA GERTRUDIS CARRILLO   PEDRO JOSEPH DE BUGARIN b 6 1710 MARRIED  MARIA JOSEPHA GONSALES
IT SEEMS THAT LONGINOS CHANGED HIS NAME TO BUGARINI   THE   "I" AT THE END  AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY IN CHIH AND IN TEXAS ALL USE THE BUGARINI  SURNAME. OH AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALSO BUGARIN'S  FROM MATEOS LINE IN TEPIC NAYARIT WHO WAS THE PRESIDENTE MUNICIPAL ABOUT 1975 TO 1981. MY HUSBAND MET HIM BY CHANCE AND THEY TURNED OUT TO BE FAMILY.  HIS NAME WAS POINCIANO BUGARIN VILLA.  I HAVE ANOTHER STORY ABOUT LONGINOS BUT I WILL SHARE THAT LATER AND I DO HAVE SOME NEAT FOTOS OF SOME OF THE BUGAS AS THEY CALL THEMSELVES.  TAKE A LOOK AT THE PHOTOS ON THE RANCHOS SITE AND YOU WILL SEE LONGINOS BUGARINI. SHARE SOME OF YOUR PICS AND I WILL
DO THE SAME. HASTA PRONTO YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ  EL PASO, TX.
arturoramos <arturo.ramos2@verizon.net> wrote:


I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda.  The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278

I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga.  I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.

Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the
information that is cited to him?  It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.

Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me.  I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.
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Congratulations on your findings.

It appears that there is a heavy Basque influence in
your families from Chihuahua and Jalisco. I've
started to do some research on the Basque side of my
family, also.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

yolandamedinaperez

19 years 6 months ago

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ESPERANZA, NO. I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE.  I HAD HEARD THAT THE BUGARIN LINE WAS FROM SPAIN BUT WERE ORIGINALY FROM RUSSIA. THE NAME WAS BUKHARIN.  IN SPAIN THEY CHANGED IT DUE TO THE LACK OF THE USE OF "K"  IT SEEMS THEY CHANGED THE "K"  FOR "G" AND DROPPED THE "H".  GREAT INFO ESPERANZA  GRACIAS    YOLANDA 

latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Yolanda, I was trying to add my files when I noticed yours......particularly your Bugarin relatives.  So I decided to do a search on Atolinga, as some of my relatives were born there as well.   Here's what I found - before the Spanish officially settled the area, it appears that there was initially
a group of "celtas" who settled there (Irish?) and later "semitas (Jewish?).  Had you read this before??? I thought it was fascinating!!!   Dice al ingeniero Montañés:
“ Después de la conquista, los españoles vieron a Tlaltenango como tierra de promisión, colonizándola, dejando en el monte de Atolinga, como muestra la colonización, extensa zona habitada hasta nuestros días por moradores de la raza celta pura. Cabe explicar que hasta aquí, inexplicablemente vinieron semitas, perpetuándose en familias que llevan apellidos Leyva, Isais, Covarrubias, Castañeda, Bugarín”    source:  http://www.e-mexico.gob.mx/wb2/eMex/eMex_Atolinga_Zacatecas   Esperanza


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